this could be heaven or this could be hell...

Jim Dedman responds to my post responding to his post responding to my initial post about the Second Amendment. He says, "When the intent of the Second Amendment is clear and unambiguous, there is no reason to turn to contemporary views." If it were the case that the Second Amendment were "clear and unambiguous," then we wouldn't be having this discussion. The Circuit courts have disagreed on whether the Second Amendment bestows a personal right to bear arms. Insofar as reasonable people can disagree on the interpretation, the amendment is not "clear and unambiguous."
Jim then goes on to say, "Constitutional interpretation should be limited to the plain meaning of the terms used, reasonable interpretations thereof, and perhaps the supporting documents which indicate the Framers' intent." I wholeheartedly agree, however that still does not solve the problem. Social mores will creep in anyways. Why? Let's observe: (1) The "plain meaning of the terms used" certainly isn't enough, as even plain meanings are debatable (as is the case here). As I said before, a text cannot give itself meaning. What is plain to Judge X could be utterly ambiguous to Judge Z, depending on their perspective of the law and society. (2) Reasonable interpretations are not enough, since the Circuit courts are split on the meaning of the Second Amendment. I think it's safe to assume that Circuit court judges are reasonable people, espousing reasonable interpretations. (3) Supporting documents which indicate the Framers' intent are woefully inadequate, as those documents themselves must be interpreted, and hence suffer from the objections of (1) and (2) above. Furthermore, it is a well-known fact that different Framers signed onto certain provisions for different reasons, each with their own personal interpretation of that provision, their own hope for that provision, and their own vision of what American ideals should be. This happens all the time; think of Congressional voting, for example. It's the same principle.
Also, Jim latches on to this catch-phrase about how the Constitution shouldn't be changed by "popular perception" and "polls." I don't know what "polls" Jim is talking about here. I never mentioned anything remotely akin to polling. What I did talk about was the sociological landscape of living in everyday America in the year 2003. I certainly do not believe that constitutional interpretation should be achieved through polling American people! Jim would have us think otherwise. But he misses the point. It's not about polling or popular perception. It's about American values--those that are already so ingrained in us that our very perspective is tainted by them. My only suggestion is that judges, in making decisions facially based only on "the law," will inevitably take these values into account. And that's not such a bad thing.
Finally, I'd like to thank Jim Dedman for humoring me in this discussion. I look forward to more in the future.







